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March 14th, 2008 @7:43 am  

“perfect periphrastic adverbial participle” ??? :-)

I’m familiar with some of the debates regarding this passage… how about a quick overview of your concerns and and where the discussion between you and Matt originated…

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March 14th, 2008 @12:09 pm  

WOuld like to, is there anyway to do a thread thing here, or should i just comment on this?

Seems like it’s going to get lost way down the list at some point.

mygif
March 14th, 2008 @2:05 pm  

Maybe just toss a ‘background’ section at the top of your original post?’ Whaddaya think?

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Matt Long Said,
March 16th, 2008 @8:16 pm  

We probably just need to tell people the discussion is here in the comments.

The background is really me asking Chris what his thoughts were on people saying that faith is not the “gift” that the passage refers to, but rather salvation is what the gift refers to–the point for some being that faith is something we bring to the table because Jesus taught that people should have faith or just believe. This begging the question, is faith a gift of God? If we just “have faith” won’t we be saved? If God didn’t give that gift, then don’t we have room to boast that we believed (had faith) while our neighbor didn’t? Our salvation is then meritorious.

I, of course, believe this is not true–that our salvation is not meritorious, but if faith is what we bring, then doesn’t salvation also become something we contribute to?

I’m just wanting to tighten up my own arguments in this area. Going to the Greek with our resident Greek Scholar seems like the way to go. ;-)

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Matt Long Said,
March 16th, 2008 @8:33 pm  

So here is an interesting use of the word faith. From Romans 12:3 “For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.”

Hmmm. So God gives a measure of faith to all? Interesting.

And then again in Romans 12:6-8 “Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith; if service, in our serving; the one who teaches, in his teaching; the one who exhorts, in his exhortation; the one who contributes, in generosity; the one who leads, with zeal; the one who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness.”

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